Friday, January 22, 2010

Medjugorje: Cdl Schonborn affirms private audience was about visit; acknowledges new Commission

The Austrian online Catholic site, interviewed Cardinal Schonborn today on the occasion of his 65th birthday. The interviewer asked about his private audience with the Holy Father that took place on January 15th. In his reply, he acknowledged the following:

  • The topic of the audience was Medjugorje given public awareness of his visit
  • Acknowledges Holy Father is setting up a Commission to study events
  • Mentions fruits, but acknowledges there are "certainly some open questions"

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome the MIR Information Center in Medjugorje which has visited this blogpost.  Perhaps they would be so kind as to update their website with the information below.  As of January 23rd, the main website out of Medjugorje, affiliated to some degree with the parish of St. James, has posted none of the items below pertaining to the Cardinal's visit, other than the interview of the Cardinal by Vecernji List which took place on January 4th.  This too is a fruit.

Chronological List in the wake of Cdl Schonborn's visit to Medjugorje

Sadly, continues to market DVD's of the Cardinal's visit, further exploiting the situation.

Other Recent Diocesan Releases (all contain links to Mostar-Duvno Diocese)

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Nick said...

I am always baffled when people tell me Medjugorje is like Fatima.

I've studied Fatima extensively. I've read Sr. Lucia's memoirs. I've seen the photographs of the miracle of the Sun. I've read what Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger had to say about Fatima.

I can see no connection between Fatima and Medjugorje. In fact, the only thing you might consider a connection is the Rosary - which isn't a connection at all since the apparition at Medjugorje did not appear with a Rosary and Our Lady of Lourdes, Amsterdam, Akita, America, and Lei all appeared with Rosaries.

The so-called "miracle" of Medjugorje doesn't count as a connection to Fatima: For one thing, there have been thousands of "miracles of the Sun" since Fatima (remember Knocks and the so-called "apparition"?). For another thing, I've seen this so-called "miracle" of Medjugorje online, both in videos and in written testimonies: It's just a bright light pouring from the Sun that blots the Sun out. That isn't what the miracle of the Sun is: Show me a miracle where the Sun dances in the sky and makes people and objects and their shadows turn different colors, followed by a shower of roses falling from the sky, and everyone being dry after a heavy rainfall. THAN I'll consider a so-called "miracle" the same as the miracle of the Sun, because that is what happened at Fatima.

Other differences between Fatima and Medjugorje are the fruits of Fatima and Medjugorje.
-- Francisco, Jacinta, and Lucia were obedient and honest to the Church even when their parents and parish priest considered them liars; Lucia recounts in her memoirs that she was taken by her mother to the parish priest and instructed to tell the priest that she was lying about being a seer. Lucia, of course, became afraid: If she obeyed her mother she would be lying, but if she didn't lie she would be disobeying her mother. By the time they reached the parish her mother told her, "Just tell him the truth." So she did.
-- The seers of Medjugorje have lied to the Church numerous times: telling the Bishop they were out gathering their flock when in fact they were out smoking, contradicting their own stories, and saying they never received certain messages - to name but a few lies.
-- Francisco, Jacinta, and Lucia received sound words from Our Lady which summarized the Gospel: prayer and penance. I am sure the apparition of the Angel of Peace giving the children Holy Communion would have shocked some theologians, but it wasn't contrary to Christian doctrine.
-- The seers of Medjugorje have received unsound words from the apparition which contradict Christian doctrine. The most obvious one is when the apparition said it's not necessary to be apart of the Catholic Church in order to be saved: This is false because Heaven is the Church Triumphant, Baptism is necessary according to Our Lord's commission ("Baptize all nations in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit..."), all salvation comes from Christ through the Catholic Church, and the unbaptized who die for Christ and who die desiring Baptized are baptized in blood and in desire, making them members of the Church Triumphant - ergo, members of the Catholic Church.

Nick said...

I searched for "Medjugorje" on the Vatican website and came up with this:

Another sign of the resurgence of popular religiosity has been the appearance of new forms of Marian devotion associated with places like Medjugorje. These new forms of Marian devotion are often tied to experiences of private revelation which need to be carefully discerned; but they take their place in a deep stream of Catholic devotion which looks back at least to the visionary experience of Saint Bernadette Soubirous at Lourdes one hundred and fifty years ago.

Assembla Plenaria 2008

Places of appearance of the Virgin Mary has been an important factor in the development of Marian devotion and pilgrimages relating to this cult. Among the many places that were witnesses of these appearances in history, places of choice back for Catholicism in Europe today at Lourdes, La Salette and Fatima, and Medjugorje, although appearances in this village have not yet been officially recognized by ecclesiastical authorities. L'Eglise orthodoxe, elle aussi, connaît de nombreux endroits d'apparition de la Vierge Marie en personne ou en effigie. The Orthodox Church, too, has many places of apparition of the Virgin Mary in person or in effigy. Rappelons ici les apparitions de la Vierge à Potchaïov, qui ont eu lieu, selon la tradition, en 1198 et 1260, ainsi que l'apparition miraculeuse de l'icône de la Vierge au village de Kolomienskoje en 1917 (aujourd'hui, un quartier de Moscou). Recall here the apparitions of the Virgin Potchaïov that took place, according to tradition, in 1198 and 1260, and the miraculous appearance of the icon of the Virgin in the village of Kolomienskoje in 1917 (now a district Moscow).

Pilgrimages as a factor
of integration of Europe 2005

Like every year, many were the pilgrimages that were included as a way of teaching, development of the Marian charism of total consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary Czestochowa, Lourdes, Fatima, Loreto, San Giovanni Rotondo, Colle Don Bosco, Assisi and Medjugorje , have marked the different stages of the year.

Pontifical Academy 2001-2002

nazareth priest said...

Diane: Thank you very much for making this information available.
It is a much needed avenue today.
You probably saw this but I'll link it anyway:
Cardinal Schönborn's American Tour

Diane M. Korzeniewski, OCDS said...

Thanks, Father.

I read the article and I suspect he will be much more tempered in his responses to questions pertaining to Medjugorje than he would have been without that private audience.

The post by Tim Drake also refers to him as "papabile". Setting Medjugorje aside, the Austrian Church is in shambles, and the Cardinal has had several very public misteps, most notably that disgusting, blasphemous, erotic art display by Hrdlicka in the museum attached to his Cathedral. That become a global news story in no time. This artist who was from the schismatic "Old Catholic Church" was given a funeral in the Archdiocese of Vienna with full Catholic honors. He forbid a very pro-life axiliary bishop from participating in what would have been comparable to our "Walk for Life", which also made global headlines.

His episode in Medjugorje was just the latest eye-brow raising mistep that got global attention.

Many people who have great respect for him over the catechism are disappointed with him on these matters.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think he was trying NOT to be "papabile".