Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Condemned "Apparition" Goes Spastic

UPDATED Nov 18, 2009 @10:00pm (scroll down - jabs at the bishop)
UPDATED Nov 18, 2009 @10:50pm (scroll down - the "apparition" is about to start spinning it's head)
UPDATED Nov 18, 2009 @11:00pm (scroll down - purity of water and the meltdown)

Talk about fruits....

Last week I shared the decree issued on November 11th, 2009 by Bishop Lennon of Cleveland in which the alleged apparitions associated with "Holy Love Ministries" was condemned.  The bishop stated that the Holy See had directed him to make a definitive decision.  The Holy See does not get involved with these things, unless for example - events transcend diocesan boundaries, as it has with Medjugorje.  Holy Mother Church drives decision making down to the lowest level - the local Ordinary.  The local bishop's decision, becomes the decision of the Church.

I was curious as to how the "apparition" itself would respond to being condemned as "not supernatural" (constat de non supernaturalitate), but figured I would wait a few days.  Sure enough - the "apparition" associated with Holy Love is having a major spasm.  Here is the "message" from November 13th:

'Jesus is here with His Heart exposed. He says: 'I am your Jesus, born Incarnate. My brothers and sisters, tonight confusion may have entered your hearts concerning certain statements from the diocese. I have come to ask you some questions to help you to think like citizens of Heaven, not of earth. Does it not say in Scripture, 'You should not stifle the Spirit' (1Thess 5:19). Did I not state in Scripture, 'Where two or more are gathered in prayer, there I am in their midst (Mt 18:20). My brothers and sisters, you must not place OFFICE and AUTHORITY and TITLE above the TRUTH. Tonight I am blessing you with My Blessing of Divine Love.''
Run! Run very fast if you are involved with this, in the other direction.

Matt C. Abbott just wrote on this. He quotes excerpts from some of the hate-email received by Wendy Cukierski (after she informed readers at her website of the decree).  Needless to say, they came bearing their fruits (we'll color it for the occasion):

'You disgust me and you are sick people. Jesus is Holy love. It's about love.'
'You'll be sorry.'
'Get your facts straight. The bishop doesn't know everything.'
'Take me off your mailing list because you are not the kind of people who are loving to print things like that.'
'We will no longer continue to visit your apostolate since you chose to point out the bishop's decree. Obedience to God before the bishop!'
One woman wrote a comment which I promptly rejected in which she defended Holy Love by asking what was so wrong about praying a Rosary.  Well, there is nothing wrong with praying a Rosary, and the bishop is not telling people not to pray a Rosary.  Rather, he is admonishing people not to pray their Rosary at Holy Love Ministries.  I would ask those who insist on disobeying him, why they would not want to pray their Rosary in Church, before the Blessed Sacrament.  Now there is a Miracle!  Our Lady is always pleased when we are led to her Son through our prayers.

People wonder why the Church doesn't just leave these apparition sites alone, even if they are not authentic.  After all, people pray Rosaries there, they convert, they head to confession, and go to Mass (all the while crediting their life's changes to the "apparition" rather than to the Sacraments). 

Here's the simple answer.  You are seeing the consequence of it in the aftermath of the condemnation of the apparitions associated with Holy Love.  In a word: Schism.  That's right.  People become their own pope and their own magisterium. It's based not on faith and reason, but on feelings and experiences.  Instead of giving their fiat, they are in essentially saying, "non serviam".

He who hears you hears Me (Luke 10:16).  That's what Our Lord told the apostles.   The Bishop of Cleveland is an apostolic successor, whose lineage can be traced all the way back to the first Apostles.  Unfortunately, supporters of Holy Love who reject the Bishop's decree hear only themselves.   

This is why Holy Mother Church exhorts us to use caution when it comes to any private revelation not approved.  There is a real danger of getting attached to it, so much so, that if a negative decision comes down, it is too difficult to give up.  This is precisely why the Angel of Darkness will appear as an "angel of light" (2 Cor 11:14).  Why would he show himself as the  monster that he is when it would drive people to run the other way?  Rather, it is to his benefit to appear beautiful (all the while flawed in some way as he can never be perfect).  He likes people to convert and go to confession, and use the Sacraments if he knows that he has those people in his pocket when the Church condemns the associated events. 

This is not to say that the alleged apparitions of Holy Love are demonic.  The bishop does not tell us whether they are believed to be of demonic origin or a fraud.  However, engaging in fraud, and associating with fraud, especially while rejecting a decree by the bishop, and thumbing one's nose at him is a good way to open the door to satanic influence.

I strongly believe we are going to see a chain of definitive decisions coming forth from many dioceses in the coming months and years to bring about closure.  It's time for, "Apparitions Anonymous"

Please pray for those who have rejected the decree, and for those currently assessing their position.  May God grace them with humility and obedience - the virtues exemplified in Our Lady.

UPDATE November 18, 2009 @10:00pm:

Here is the message for November 14th, 2009 which again attacks the bishop all the while trying to lure followers away from Church (my emphases in bold; comments bracketed in red - and I don't have time to take each sentence apart, as I should):

I see a great Flame [I'll bet] - that I have come to know as the Heart of the Father - rise up behind the Eucharist. God the Father says: "I Am the Eternal Now." As He speaks, the Flame seems to pulsate.

"I have come to issue forth this Decree of Truth [Bishop issues a decree condemning the "apparition" as not supernatural and the "apparition" issues it's own decree]. The Holy Spirit is alive and well here at this apparition site. Indeed, Heaven and, I Myself, have taken possession of this property [like I said, run quickly away from this place]. No one can prove otherwise no matter his distinction in the world."  [That was a jab at the bishop.  In other words -a pretty clear, "non serviam"].

"My Beloved Son, His Immaculate Mother and a multitude of angels and saints appear here and give witness to the Truth. Do not despise the Spirit of Truth that heals hearts and opens the way to salvation and personal holiness through these Messages [and "we don't want to lose the cash from our operations, so please don't go away now that the bishop has condemned it"]. Do not deny the Truth out of envy or pride [and Truth is with the Church, not outside of it]. To do so is to place your soul in jeopardy." [by following condemned "apparitions" which cause you to break communion with your bishop - the apostolic successor of your diocese].

"Just as I, The Eternal Father, have inspired this Mission, so through the Spirit of Truth, I inspire souls to continue in their prayer effort here. Let no one discourage you [jab at the bishop again] or tell you in falsehood you are not allowed to come here." [now it accuses the bishop of lying] 

"I, your Eternal Father, call you here. * This Mission stands for the truth of the gospel message of love. The error is in hearts that oppose the gospel and the graces which support it here."  [opposing the bishop on a matter in which he has jurisdiction is opposing the gospel (Luke 10:16)]

"Just as I made the tongues of all those who detract against this Ministry [I suppose the manufacturer of this message - the one who is worried about lost income, is speaking about folks like me, along with the bishop], I also created the tongues, the souls and spirits, of those who come here to pray despite man's dictates and opposition [oh, whichever "spirit" this is talking, didn't create any tongues, but it may indeed be moving the tongues of those creating this bunk]. Listen to Me. I need every prayer." [you need every prayer alright]

UPDATE November 18 2009 @ 10:50pm

Here we go, the "apparition" should start spinning it's head any time is today's "message".   Now it suggests that the bishop is Satan.

St. Catherine of Siena says: "Praise be to Jesus."
"Please realize that Satan is actively opposing this Ministry [actually, it's beginning to look like Satan is driving this bus, however - with some forms of fraud, Satan can ride comfortably in the bench seat at the back]. He is trying to transform belief in the truth of these Messages into a forbidden act of disobedience [He who hears you, hears me (Luke 10:16 - again)]. Do not be tricked, but realize that Heaven is offering abundant graces and [poisonous & forbidden] fruits here to those who will open their hearts."

This is not harmless stuff people.  It opens the doors to the demonic, if it hasn't already. 

Edit November 18th, 2009 @11:00pm:

That's it.  I can't take anymore.  With his decree of condemnation, the bishop has essentially poured pure water over something evil and we are witnessing a meltdown.

Further reading:

  • Holy Love Ministries - Maureen Sweeney-Kyle at Maranatha Spring (Apparition Deceptions)

  • Condemned apparition in Cleveland is going into grand mal (Te Deum)
  • "Adorot Te Devote" analyzes the 11-13-2009 "message".
  • 1978 Criteria for Discernment of Apparitions (Theotokos)

    • Te Deum Laudamus! Home
      The obedient are not held captive by Holy Mother Church; it is the disobedient who are held captive by the world!


      Anonymous said...

      Amen! Thank you for posting this, Diane!

      As someone said, there is a very real danger that these false apparitions become a religion unto themselves.

      Thank you again for your extensive work.

      Mary Scott

      Anonymous said...

      Someone I once communicated with used to send me the 'messages' from there. I asked him not to but he continued until we finally stopped communicating. And this has happened with the 'lay apostle' movement and the Medjugorje movement that if I mention I am not a follower, I am cut off because I am not following the Gospa or Jesus or whatever.

      Disobedience is ALWAYS the huge red flag!

      lucemichael said...

      Thank you for your calm dissection of this mess. I didn't even know about it until I read (in Catholic media) the Bishops statement a few weeks ago.

      Diane M. Korzeniewski, OCDS said...

      I must admit, with each "message" I was reading, I was getting pretty upset with the fact that people are being duped by those who would attack the Church in this manner.

      This kind of thing dupes vulnerable people - those who desire a closer relationship with God.

      The Church has not done a good job of helping people to understand the decision making process, and how to respond to decrees like that issued by the bishop.

      The fact that there are some 10,000 apparition claims yearly is evidence that the apparition industry (and it is an industry) is out of control.

      I suspect that Pope Benedict XVI knows this, and is in the process of regaining control - something that will take years. Some poor souls will never let go of a condemned apparition because they had years to get attached to it.

      This is an injustice to them.

      At the same time, I don't think the bishops have been given the tools needed to nip these things early, before they can gain ground. That's got to change and I think it will. I believe the Holy See will make it much easier for bishops to quickly discern, and shut these things down with far better criteria than they have today.

      lucemichael said...

      Regarding the so-called 'messages' you posted, I admit that I could not read through all of them, as I had an overwhelming sensation of being in the presence of evil. That's another reason why I appreciate the work you did to bring this forth.

      I completely agree with your comments above and it brings to mind another thought I've had. It's about the tendency of Catholics to turn our faith into superstition. When I listed my home to sell, my Michigan mother-in-law suggested that I bury a St. Joseph stature upside down in my yard. Being from the South, I had never heard of this custom and frankly, I was horrified. It seems to me that that goes down the path of sangria or something. I have had faithful Catholics tell me that there is no hard in these customs that have developed, but I believe that when we turn to odd rituals instead of Tradition, then we are walking the path to superstition, disobedience and possibly heresy.

      Anyway, that was off-topic. I really enjoy your weblog. thanks again.

      Nick said...

      There once was a young women who came from a far away nation to see Saint Padre Pio, and when she met him, he was surprised that she had wanted to see him and pray with him. Why? Because, firstly, he recognized his sinfulness and nothingness, and, secondly, because - as he himself put it - "You could have just said an Ave Maria and it would've been enough."

      I agree with Padre, you don't need to go anywhere else to be nearer to God or to get special prayers; you just need to go to Holy Mass, or even just spend some time with Jesus in the Tabernacle. It's why He's there; He's there for you. He doesn't change if you go to a purported saint or holy site, He is still the same God and King of Holiness and Justice, Love and Mercy.

      It is stories of false apparitions that remind me of the ancient serpent, who tricked our parents and who wages wars against the children of Mary because he couldn't attack the Lady herself. He wishes to stir up rebellion and confusion among us, but if we only stick with Jesus, like Mary did, he can't win - and he won't!

      Nick said...

      Comments in brackets and bolded.

      I see a great Flame - that I have come to know as the Heart of the Father [Only the Son has a Human-Divine Heart because only the Son became incarnate] - rise up behind the Eucharist. God the Father says: "I Am the Eternal Now." As He speaks, the Flame seems to pulsate. [Here we see a detachment from Christ; Christ is no longer in the Eucharist, the Messiah is no longer associated with the Thanksgiving Offering, and the Incarnation is attributed to the Father rather than the Son]

      "I have come to issue forth this Decree of Truth [So Jesus is speaking?]. The Holy Spirit is alive and well here at this apparition site. Indeed, Heaven and, I Myself, have taken possession of this property [If this is Jesus speaking, than He already has possession of the place, in light of His Kingship, and would not lord over the site like the gentiles because He is meek and humble of heart; if this is Mary speaking, than, Queenship aside, she is not allowed to make decrees because she is not God, who alone can make divine decrees as the Lord of the Universe]. No one can prove otherwise no matter his distinction in the world." [If the apparitions were from God, He would prove it with a sign, perhaps even a sign that the Church has not expected (as happened at Lourdes when the pastor asked for a specific sign yet was denied in that God did not perform the sign he wanted), yet God would not allow His Church to condemn a private revelation from Him, whether directly or through a spirit or Mary, even if the revelation is for a short time forbidden, because, Holy Mother Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth and is infallible in her judgment, and the bishop has the gift of truth from God Himself]

      "My Beloved Son, His Immaculate Mother and a multitude of angels and saints appear here and give witness to the Truth. [If it is from God, He will vindicate the revelation - yet disobedience, that terrible sign of the Devil, is not a sign from God] Do not despise the Spirit of Truth that heals hearts and opens the way to salvation and personal holiness through these Messages. [Salvation and sanctification come not from apparitions but from Jesus Christ through the Church, which is why to reject Christ by rejecting His Body the Church is a poor choice, in fact, an offense, a mortal sin against the Fourth Commandment] Do not deny the Truth out of envy or pride. To do so is to place your soul in jeopardy." [The deposit of faith dose not include private revelations, so this is false]

      "I, your Eternal Father, call you here. ["Your Father"? Jesus didn't say He was going to your and my Father but "Your Father and My Father, your God and my God". He alone is the Son. We are adopted sons, His brethern, co-heirs of the Kingdom; we are not Jesus, though each of us is another Christ in light of baptism, and this because we are members of His Body, His brothers and co-heirs, as I already said] This Mission stands for the truth of the gospel message of love. [The Gospel is the revelation of God in Jesus Christ] The error is in hearts that oppose the gospel and the graces which support it here."
      A subtle attack at the bishop, it seems, but even more subtle is the lie within those words: No revelation is the gospel, nor is equal to the gospel, because Public Revelation ended with the death of the last Apostle - since the Apostles were eyewitnesses of Jesus Christ, who had come down from Heaven to show us God, who is Love Itself, most particularly by His sorrowful Death, and that is what the Gospel is about, as I said above - and every authentic private revelation, precisely because it comes from God, is oriented toward Public Revelation, whereby the Church of Christ, to whom God has entrusted Public Revelation, has the right and the duty to judge private revelations, and anyone who rejects her rejects not only Jesus but also the One who sent Him.

      Adoro said...

      Thanks for the link. Satan...uh, I mean a minion or someone connected to Unholy Non-Love commented on my blog last night, my original writeup about the Bishop's Decree. A couple days ago a woman named Jackie also commented wanting to argue several points.

      Seriously, it's like having a conversation with a brick wall. That place is filled with Stepford Wives. Anyway, here's the post with the fascinating comments:

      I told the demon to desist from commenting at my blog again. Um, oh, I mean, the commenter.

      Tominellay said...

      Diane, the headline...!

      Anonymous said...

      I am not in disagreement with you, but it is abit strange. With so much division in the USCCB and the faithful {CChd funding for example or strict modernists who refuse Traditional Liturgies or do not encourage Traditional devotions}When would you ever disobey a Bishop who you knew was disobedient?
      Also, has a story about the reopening of a ban on an aparition in Manila. What are your thoughts about this?

      Diane M. Korzeniewski, OCDS said...


      Please use the "Name/URL" option and choose a fake name if you don't want to use your own name (you may leave the URL field blank). It's easier for dialogue.

      Diane M. Korzeniewski, OCDS said...

      Anon 5:41...

      The post is not about CCHD, traditional liturgies or devotions. It's about an "apparition" gone mad after being condemned and how people can get so caught up in such things to the point that they leave the Church.

      It might be fruitful to study the case of the Donatists. They argued that a bishop's authority was dependent on his personal holiness and conduct. St. Augustine, on the other hand, argued that even if the bishop's personal purity is lacking, the church authority, conferred at his consecration as bishop, remains.

      Read more on Donatism by Patrick Madrid in This Rock (April 1994)

      Diane M. Korzeniewski, OCDS said...

      As a followup to my comment above on Donatism, let me clarify it this way:

      If your bishop orders you to go steal five dozen donuts for an upcoming event at the Cathedral, you can freely disobey, and should because you know that stealing is immoral.

      When a bishop speaks on faith and morals and is a bishop in good standing - in communion with the Holy Father - it is prudent and humble to obey. Pride is at the root of disobedience. Therefore,since pride is the root of all evil, and depending on the circumstances, willful disobedience of a bishop on matters of faith and morals can be grave matter.

      Anonymous said...

      I read this article you cross-linked to by Matt C. Abbott - why don't peoples' flags go up when they read how her marriage crumbled - sounds to me she was committing adultery long before the separation/divorce by spending more time with the one guy than with her husband, even going on a trip to Florida with him. What?
      It is so plain obvious that the locutions come so people can be relieved of their hard-earned dollars.


      Diane M. Korzeniewski, OCDS said...

      In a comment above, I stated that, "The fact that there are some 10,000 apparition claims yearly is evidence that the apparition industry (and it is an industry) is out of control."

      I know I read this figure somewhere, and it's possible that it was not yearly, but it seems to me that it was. But, I believe it included cases of someone claiming the BVM was appearing in the latte foam, as well.

      Either way, I want to correct that number since I cannot find my source and can't verify it.

      Regardless, there are way too many apparition claims today. Some talk about these as if they are all true, even without any kind of investigation or approval.

      Diane M. Korzeniewski, OCDS said...

      I have received a couple of comments in my posts related to the decree issued by Bishop Lennon against Holy Love Ministries from people claiming to have Master's degrees in theology.

      These people feel that there is nothing in the messages which is in error.

      I would have published and addressed these comments directly had it not been for the promotion of Holy Love Ministries also found in the same comments.

      Ray Conte of Catholic Planet and I are on different ends of the spectrum when it comes to Medjugorje, and perhaps some others. I disagree in several areas with him on his promotion of Medjugorje as "credible".

      That disclaimer aside, the evaluation he has done on certain "messages" coming out of Holy Love is excellent. It was written in March of 2008, before the decree issued by Bishop Lennon.

      I would invite all those who claim to have a better understanding than the bishop of Cleveland to read through the details of this analysis of "messages".

      chris said...

      Peter warns Christians of all ages: “But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways” (2 Peter 2:1,2).

      Jesus warned: “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many” (Matthew 24:11). The fact that there are many false teachers among us and that many people listen to them is simply a fulfillment of the word of Christ.

      Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves” (Matthew 7:15). False teachers are false not only in doctrine but also in their appearance. They pretend to be something they are not. On the inside they are vicious wolves who kill and scatter the sheep. But they wear a sheepskin to trick the sheep.

      Paul told the elders at Ephesus: “For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves” (Acts 20:29,30).

      John warned: “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).

      “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” (Jeremiah 23:1). They will be punished for their evil deeds: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings” (Jeremiah 23:2).

      False teachers do indeed harbor all kinds of spiritual diseases and have no respect for true religion.

      Beware of false prophets, preachers and priests. They are more concerned about worldly things than spiritual values. Jesus said to the religious leaders: “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.” ... “Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness” (Matthew 23:25 and 28).

      False teachers strengthen the hands of evildoers. This is explained in verse 17: “They continually say to those who despise Me, 'The Lord has said, “You shall have peace” '; and to everyone who walks according to the dictates of his own heart, they say, 'No evil shall come upon you.' ”Are people who follow their own heart in our time told by some religious leaders that no evil will come upon them?

      Do some preachers say that no evil will come upon those who Jesus says commit adultery because of divorce and remarriage (Matthew 5:31,32; 19:9)?

      Beware of false prophets, preachers and priests who tickle the itching ears of evildoers (2 Timothy 4:3,4).

      “Thus says the Lord of hosts: 'Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; they speak a vision of their own heart, not from the mouth of the Lord” (Jeremiah 23:16). False teachers tell you what they think, rather than what God says.

      “To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isaiah 8:20).