Thursday, April 4, 2013

Because you keep asking: Some thoughts on Pope Francis and Medjugorje




I've have been receiving emails and messages from people asking me for my thoughts on Pope Francis and Medjugorje.

First, let me preface this by making an observation: Authentic apparitions don't need any "selling" because they "sell" themselves.

As the words, Habemus Papam were pronounced, the machine was already in gear to form public opinion in such a way as to lead everyone to believe Pope Francis is all for Medjugorje.  Keep in mind, he is no longer responsible for one See of many; he is responsible for them all now. While promoters of Medjugorje have no qualms about showing their contempt for the local bishop of Mostar-Duvno, I just don't see Pope Francis following suit.

"Card. Bergoglio approved of Ivan's apparitions in a stadium a few weeks before being named Pope" is one narrative.

News reports from Buenos Aires say Ivan filled a stadium of about 5,500 people just days after he had a similar turn out at another local venue for a total of around 10,000 people between the two events, in early March this year.

One thing you will learn about sites that promote Medjugorje, is that numbers are considered a sign of authenticity even though such an attitude is contrary to the last word from the CDF concerning pilgrimages in it's 1998 letter to Mons. Gilbert Aubrey:

Finally, as regards pilgrimages to Medjugorje, which are conducted privately, this Congregation points out that they are permitted on condition that they are not regarded as an authentification of events still taking place and which still call for an examination by the Church.

So, if people think the CDF is going to factor in how many people came to an event to gage authenticity, it's not going to happen. It's been said that Pope Francis knows how to delegate, so I trust he will show interest in the work done by CDF and the International Theological Commission on Medjugorje.

The same reports also claim that these apparitions on demand in stadiums had the "blessing" of Cardinal Bergoglio.  Anyone can claim anything at all, but proof would come in the form of something written and made public.  When I go to anything offered by an apostolate or group, and they claim they have the local bishop's approval, I can open the program booklet and see a personal message from the bishop with his endorsement.  Such a message can be posted in flyers.  If I don't see it in writing, then it is nothing more than an unproven claim. Even if he did give some kind of approval or nod, it was still as a Cardinal in Argentina, who likely did not have all of the relevant facts. Who can claim to know all that is in the CDF's and Commission's files on Medjugorje? As he learns more, his attitude will shift accordingly. That's natural.

Another narrative goes something like this: "Fr. Jozo Zovko spent a lot of time conversing with Card. Bergoglio in the late 1990's about Medjugorje while he was in Buenos Aires."

This, I believe is originating from an article in Slobodna Dalmacija that is basically promoting the idea that Cardinal Bergoglio is pro-Medjugorje.  In it, we find that a reporter had contacted Fr. Jozo Zovko who remembered he went to Argentina and he asked him for his thoughts on Pope Francis.  Zovko, to his credit, told the reporter not to ask any questions on Medjugorje - not until the Holy See speaks on the matter.  So, he talked about his time in Argentina, specifically a meeting he had with Bergoglio.  It sounds like the Cardinal gave him some quality time and really listened to him - something that we are learning is pretty natural for him no matter who he speaks with.

I believe this happened exactly as Fra Jozo says it happened.

I also believe the same man, now Pope Francis, will be a good listener when the Bishops of Bosnia & Herzegovina, and Croatia, speak to him about Medjugorje.  Moreover, I believe the Pope will be a very good listener when the International Theological Commission reports it's findings to him. Likewise, I have trust that he will be interested in looking over more than 30  years worth of documentation at the CDF.  In Argentina, he may have heard Fra Jozo's side of the story, but surely a man of great charity will also hear the other side of the story, and he will hear the things Zovko did not tell him.

Unlike the Medjugorje movement which shows great disdain for the past and present bishops of Mostar, I trust Pope Francis will not dismiss their findings so quickly.  Might he listen to Bishop Peric as he listened to Fra Jozo? How about the other bishops in the region?

Pope Francis will have information on Medjugorje, not just on the visionaries, but on all those named as associates and spiritual directors along the way.  He will see all of the scientific and medical concerns laid out, not just the positive ones.  He will see how certain key players misled readers by curious omissions and altered text.  Good listener that he is, he will hear the good and the bad as he pursues truth.

So...

What will Pope Francis do concerning Medjugorje?  This, I cannot know.

What do I hope and pray Pope Francis will do concerning Medjugorje?


  1. Seek the truth above all else.
  2. Tell the truth out of love and charity for all concerned and avoid false charity.
  3. Heal the open wounds at all levels of the Church and restore unity
  4. Build devotion to Jesus through Mary in ways that are unquestionably authentic and pure.
  5. Teach bishops and pastors how to respond as one voice to unapproved apparitions

Clarifying that last point, I believe incredible damage to the unity of the Church happened each time a bishop allowed visionaries to have "apparitions" on Church property in their dioceses, most especially when it happened in cathedrals and basilicas.  Nothing would have prohibited these things from happening on private property, but when they happen on Church property, it is seen as an authentification of events. It lends credibility to the alleged apparitions in the minds of those attending. So, a great chasm was widened each time Medjugorje visionaries had alleged apparitions in churches, shrines, basilicas and cathedrals.  Even if a bishop feels the apparitions are authentic, the most prudent and fraternally correct action is to follow the lead of the local bishop and his brother bishops united with him.  You will not find anywhere in Bosnia-Herzegovina, or in Croatia, where a bishop has allowed this, yet you will find it in other countries.  This is a very odd way to show collegiality. If official pilgrimages are prohibited, how then can any bishop justify bringing a pilgrimage, complete with visionary and visions on demand, to the diocesan cathedral?

I think this is a legitimate question to raise and I hope it is eventually addressed for the good of unity in the Church.  Nothing fuels disunity faster than seeing the hierarchy in visible disagreement.  If one has to err on one side of the other, why not on the side of caution, truly waiting for approval before parading alleged visionaries onto Church property where they summons some being that may or may not be heavenly? If it were to ever be approved, no harm comes in this kind of waiting. But, can we say it is equally as harmless to carry on as if it were approved, should it later receive a negative judgment?  What confusion are souls put through in such a case?  Who is responsible if their attachment becomes so great that they abandon the Church in pursuit of those signs and wonders, even in the face of a firmly negative judgment, should it come? Harmless?  Hardly!

Pope Francis loves Mary. I trust he wants true devotion to be fostered.  It has been endearing to watch him practically run to the statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the conclusion of the big papal Masses, like the one on Palm Sunday.  He is clearly devoted to the Blessed Mother.  So, I pray to her, that she helps him to discover the truth through the work that has been done by the Commission and the CDF, and that he acts accordingly.

People are going to say whatever they want to say concerning Pope Francis and Medjugorje.  I believe in the grace of office and I believe Pope Francis is a man who loves the truth, and who loves Mary. 

If you want to do something valuable while you wait for the Holy Father to dig into all of this, pray for him.

I'm not going to worry about it. It's in God's hands.  Pope Francis may decide to table the matter for more pressing issues. Time will tell.  


Update: I'm copying this in from my post on the recent invalid Confirmations near Medjugorje:

*An interesting side note:  Fr. José Rodríguez Carballo, OFM, has been appointed by Pope Francis as the Secretary of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life.  He has been the Minister General of the OFM since 2003. He signed the 2009 document announcing the laicization of Tomislav Vlasic, and was involved when the list of sanctions came down against him in 2008 as he was being investigated "in the context of Medjugorje."   As someone else just pointed out to me in Facebook, he is likely well familiar with all that is going on in Herzegovina and can bring Pope Francis right up to speed.










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6 comments:

Bob said...

Excellent insight. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts.

john konnor said...

...it is not enough that Jesus suffered a horrible passion because of our sin to show how much God loves us... some people need the mother of God to appear to them on a daily basis to tell them they are loved by God...what you hear quite often is that Mary is appearing just for "US"...or for her children..as if we are the centre of the universe and the virgin Mary is reserving herself just for us...it sounds quite self centred....it is interesting that the apparitions so called started at the begginning of the eighties....the message you hear in quite a subtle way is that Mary is appearing for "ME"..or I owe "MY' conversion to this place..it is all about what I got out of it and it doesnt matter what anyone else has to say I am right because what i feel makes me an authority....it is not for nothing that they call the eighties the "ME" generation...remember the devil fell from grace because he said "I" will not serve.... it is also interesting that padre pio said another name for satan is "ME"..mine or I...as in I want this or that in opposition to what God wants for me....it is not enough that we are told by the bishop here that there is no apparition of course someone who is in love with themself will not listen to anyone but themself....it goes without saying...what many in medjugorje are experiencing is not love of God or Mary or Jesus but love of themselves....that is why if medjugorje dies their relationship with themselves will suffer..and this is why they defend it so vehemently it becomes PERSONAL...because medjugorje offers these people another outlet with which to love themselves......Lucifer was so beautiful in all respects that he would not love anyone but himself...the phenonmenon at medjugorje is nothing more than a festival of humanism cloaked in the auspices of an alleged shrine to the mother of God...inordinate self-love its how the devil rolls...

Anonymous said...

I have been to Medjugorje and would rather go there on vacation then Hawaii or Cancun or any other place. There are Holy Masses many times a day, the community rosary is very powerful and Evening Adoration is awesome. If there is an apparition I do not fight the Italian crowds to be present. All I know is it is a very prayerful place and until the vatican condemns them I will continue to go. 45.00 a night for hospitality and food is a deal....and there is good beer and wine and awesome people, including priests and bishops from all over the world. The visionaries are very humble and the fact that some say they live extravagant lives are wrong(the ones in Medjugorje) Poor Mirjana is like a prisoner is her own modest home...she is a simple girl. If it was false why would anyone choose a life like that? Of course not for money...she could never even enjoy it...she doesnt go on vacation or buy lavish things. I believe some people are jealous. We have so called catholic converts running the parish circuit charging 2000/hr. I would question some of their motives---and they are in the states.

john konnor said...

...the visionairies are very humble???...remember pride is the appetite for excellence in excess of right reason..which means that someone who is proud presumes they are certain and correct regarding a judgement which they are not qualified to make..in this case the seers are sure they see Mary the mother of God..however the church who is an authority in these matters is not certain..and so the visionairies are guilty of presumption, arrogance, contempt, rebelliousness,boasting, frivolity,..i implore you to check up St. Bernard's twelve degrees of humiliity and see how the seers measure up...indeed outwardly the seers appear placid serene and congenial but their interior dispositions to the authority of their bishop betrays their outward disposition...matthew 7:15-Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves...

john konnor said...

"Now mark this: when a man wishes to possess inward rest in idleness, without inward and desirous cleaving to God, then he is ready for all errors; for he is turned away from God, and inclined towards himself, in natural love, seeking and desiring consolation and sweetness and everything that pleases him. And such a man is like to a merchant, for in all his activity he is turned only towards himself, and seeks and means his own rest and his own profit, more than the glory of God. A man who thus lives in mere natural love, always possesses himself in self-love without self- renunciation. Such men often lead a hard life with great works of penitence, that they may become known and renowned for their great sanctity, and also that they may merit a great reward; for all natural love is favourably disposed to itself and likes to receive great honours in time and a great reward in eternity. And these men have many special desires, and pray and beseech God for many particular things. And thus they are often deceived; for sometimes, through the work of the devil, those things which they desire happen to them, and then they ascribe this to their sanctity, and hold themselves worthy of them all; for such people are proud, and neither touched nor enlightened by God. And therefore they dwell within themselves, and a small consolation may greatly rejoice them, for they know not what they lack. And they are wholly attached, in their desire, to inward savours and the spiritual refreshment of their nature. And this is called spiritual lust; for it is an inordinate attachment in natural love, which is always directed towards itself, and seeks its own profit in all things. Such men are always spiritually proud and self-willed; and this is why their desires and lusts are sometimes so vehemently set upon the things which they desire, and wilfully strive to acquire from God, so that they are often deceived, and some of them also become possessed by the devil.
- Blessed Jan Van Ruysbroeck...and so many pray to God that others end up as them practicing empty devotions and counterfeit charity..this is how the devil sows weeds in the church and makes bad fruit appear good

Rescued by Mary said...

As usual - Keeping it reasonable.

Good stuff...