Pages

Sunday, April 7, 2013

A strange case of invalid sacramental "confirmations" in Herzegovina {Updated}


Today, Divine Mercy Sunday, some invalid "confirmations" were set to take place near Medjugorje.

{Update: April 8, 2013: On this Solemnity of the Annunciation, the Croatian daily, Večernji List, reports that 50 youngsters received First Communion; and 150 were "confirmed" by the ex-Francisan, and suspended Petar (formerly "fra Bonifacije") Barbarić.  One reason there are likely so many is that they have often included young people lower than 8th grade, which is not done in most dioceses of the Latin Rite, including those in Herzegovina.  Of course all of these sacraments [the confirmations] are invalid. And, it is an offense against the Holy Spirit to perform fake "confirmations."  Read below and please make acts of reparation for these most serious offenses.  One has to wonder how thousands of invalid sacraments can take place since 1997, including those yesterday, in such close proximity to Medjugorje, and Lady of Medjugorje says nothing. Astonishing, really.}

An alert reader sent me something that had just appeared on the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno's website: His Excellency, Bishop Ratko Perić, responded to an invitation by a woman at a parish for Confirmations, usurped in the 1990's by some rogue Franciscans, since expelled and suspended.

I've known about these suspended priests for many years now and they have significant followings. They have been performing invalid sacraments all these years, and when it comes to getting the children of the parish Confirmed, they find themselves in pickle. The former Franciscans, who have yet to give up their habits, have tried various ways to deal with it, as you will see, if you read the context I provide below the official English translation of the document in focus, embedded here (and now available on the diocesan website.)




On Thursday, 4 April 2013, the Diocesan Chancery office in Mostar received an e-mail message written in capital letters, sent from the e-mail address of Zdenko Vego, but signed by Marijana Vego.  Marijana’s precise message follows in full, along with the Bishop’s response:

LETTER TO BISHOP RATKO PERIĆ

DEAR BISHOP RATKO,

I’M ADDRESSING YOU IN THE NAME OF ALL CATHOLIC MOTHERS WHO ARE PREPARING THEIR CHILDREN FOR THE SACRAMENT OF HOLY CONFIRMATION ON SUNDAY.

THE CONFIRMATION WILL BE ON 7 APRIL 2013, IN THE PARISH CHURCH OF ST. FRANCIS IN ČAPLJINA. (WHITE SUNDAY OR DIVINE MERCY SUNDAY).

MAY GOD BLESS YOU BY THE MODEL OF DIVINE MERCY AND MAY YOU ACCEPT THIS INVITATION SO THAT OUR CHILDREN CAN, WITHOUT ANY DUALISM, RECEIVE THIS HOLY SACRAMENT IN PEACE AND HUMILITY - I INVITE YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS AND HIS LAWS OF LOVE WHICH SHOULD NOT SUBSIDE IN OUR UNIVERSAL CATHOLIC WORLD. FOR IF WE ACCEPT THE HOLY GOSPEL, THEN IT’S CLEAR THAT WE WILL BE JUDGED BY LOVE.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS INVITATION WILL NOT BE REFUSED, BUT ON THE CONTRARY, BE ACCEPTED - BECAUSE WE ARE ALL GOD’S CHILDREN MADE IN HIS IMAGE.

DEAR MONS. RATKO, I BELIEVE THAT THE FEELING OF LOVE WILL ALSO PREVAIL IN YOU TOWARDS OUR YOUTH WHO ARE AT VARIOUS TURNING POINTS IN THEIR LIVES. HENCE, LET’S NOT ALLOW THIS KIND OF UNIVERSAL CONFUSION TO ALSO REIGN IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, THAT MAY MAKE THEM GO ASTRAY FOR WE KNOW THAT EVERY HUMAN ORDER WITHOUT GOD IS AN AWFUL ERROR WHOSE INSTIGATOR IS THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS.

MAY THE LIGHT OF THE RISEN JESUS CHRIST SHINE UPON YOU WITH A CLEAR BRIGHTNESS – WISHING YOU A HAPPY AND BLESSED EASTER FROM THE PARISH OF ST. FRANCIS, ČAPLJINA.

MARIJANA VEGO


*******

THE BISHOP’S RESPONSE TO MARIJANA VEGO, ČAPLJINA

Dear Marijana!

Thank you for the Easter wishes that you sent to me yesterday by e-mail.

I agree with you that we have to do whatever we can to deter young believers from universal confusion that can lead them astray. If we agree on this, I think we will then agree about these other points that follow.

1 – The Lord Jesus instituted the Church and entrusted it to the care of the Apostles with Peter as its head. Their successors, the bishops, in communion with the Pope, lead the Catholic Church. Since in this world we are imperfect, the Church therefore, besides love requires laws and a canonical order. According to the teachings and Canon Law of the Catholic Church “A parish is a certain community of the Christian faithful stably constituted in a particular church, whose pastoral care is entrusted to a pastor (parochus) as its proper pastor (pastor) under the authority of the diocesan bishop (Can. 515 §1).

2 – The parish of St. Francis
in Čapljina, as a community of faithful in the diocese of Mostar-Duvno, has a temporary parish office and liturgical space in the city of Čapljina, located on G. Šušak Street, in the part of the city called Peline. It also has an official parish priest, Father Ivan Kordić, who is assisted by Father Dragan Filipović. At the beginning of this school year about 50 pupils in the 8th grade presented themselves to the parish priest, Fr. Ivan, to be confirmed this year. In our dioceses in Herzegovina, we do not encourage confirmation in the lower grades. Upon the invitation of the parish priest, I agreed that with God’s help, I will confer the Sacrament of Confirmation in that parish on Sunday, 16 June 2013, (Službeni vjesnik, 3/2012., str. 278; http://www.cbismo.com/files/file/Vjesnik_2012_3.pdf).

3 – Unfortunately, the parish church of St. Francis, the parish house and rectory in Čapljina are still being unlawfully usurped by three suspended priests, who have been dismissed by Franciscan Order due to their disobedience. They and the community that gathers around them are not in communion with the particular or the universal Church, commonly known as Catholic. We have invited those suspended priests to resolve their priestly status and placed the Chancery Office at their disposal in order to mediate in this matter (Vrhbosna, 2/2004., pp. 180-181), and that the parish rectory and property be handed over to the legitimate parish priest, thereby putting an end to the division that exists in Čapljina. They have however, remained obstinate in their disobedience.

4 – In the Catholic community we wish to develop, it is the right and the duty of parents to register their children as candidates for holy Confirmation with the parish priest. It is the right and duty of the parish priest to teach those candidates properly. It is the right and duty of the parents and godparents to guarantee that their children are ready to take on the obligations regarding their Christian life and to grow in maturity. It is the right and duty of the bishop to make sure that those children receive the Sacrament of Confirmation.

5 – If you accept this, then it is obvious that Christian mothers, individually or in a group; or the suspended priests in the parish of Čapljina, cannot schedule any celebration of the Sacrament of Confirmation. Therefore, I invite you and the other mothers in whose name you are writing, to contact your parish priest, Father Ivan Kordić. The preparation for this sacrament as a rule, usually takes a full school year. However, if we all make an effort, with God’s assistance, why not celebrate a lawful and valid Confirmation this year of all those in the 8th grade on 16 June as has already been officially scheduled?

6 – As your bishop I ask and beg you, by the Divine Mercy of the Father in Heaven: do not call upon the Holy Gospel to say that we are acting against the Gospel of Christ the Lord and his Church – which is one, holy,  catholic and apostolic! It is precisely this that creates a “dualism” and takes away “peace and humility” from us!

In the name of the Crucified One, who Died, and has Risen and who will judge us, please do not organize an unlawful and invalid rite of “confirmation” in Čapljina on 7 April or at any other time.

I plead with you by the gifts of the Holy Spirit which the candidates receive in a lawful and valid Confirmation, that you not support the ecclesiastical disorder in Čapljina, especially because you are aware that: “every human order without God is a awful error whose instigator is the Prince of Darkness.” If this is the case with “human order”, how will it be then when dealing with church disorder?

By the love of St. Francis of Assisi, the patron of the parish of Čapljina, please do not take part in this kind of unlawful and invalid “confirmation”, nor invite or expect me to bless this scandalous and schismatic situation.

Thank you for your message which has helped us once again to explain this tragic “dualism”, intolerable “confusion” and schismatic “situation”, so that the people cannot justify themselves by saying that they did not know.

To you and to the other Catholic mothers in Čapljina, I wish and I pray to God, that you all be enlightened with the light of the Risen Christ and that the Spirit kindle in you love for peace and unity in the Church!

Mostar, 5 April 2013
 + Ratko Perić, Bishop



It seems apparent that the woman knows the "confirmations" that will be given by these suspended priests will not be valid. Why else would she ask the bishop to come?


*An interesting side note:  Fr. José Rodríguez Carballo, OFM, has been appointed by Pope Francis as the Secretary of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life.  He has been the Minister General of the OFM since 2003. He signed the 2009 document announcing the laicization of Tomislav Vlasic, and was involved when the list of sanctions came down against him in 2008 as he was being investigated "in the context of Medjugorje."   As someone else just pointed out to me in Facebook, he is likely well familiar with all that is going on in Herzegovina and can bring Pope Francis right up to speed.


Some Context

The Diocese of Mostar-Duvno might be most well known for the popular town of Medjugorje, seen highlighted in the map of that region of Herzegovina above, along with Mostar, Grude, and Čapljina - places that will be discussed in this post.  Note the close proximity of Čapljina to Medjugorje, about 8 miles, and Grude just over 20.

Most of you reading this post probably live in a diocese which has parishes run by diocesan priests, sometimes referred to as secular priests (in contrast to a religious order priest).  Many dioceses have a few parishes that are in the hands of religious order priests, such as Franciscans or others.  Here in the Archdiocese of Detroit, I can probably count on one or two hands the number of parishes run by religious order priests (and those parishes still fall under the responsibility of the local bishop). 

Missionary territory, on the other hand, can have a higher number of religious order priests - especially from orders known to do missionary work, such as the Franciscans.  Once an area is settled and stable,  a diocese is erected and diocesan priests take over.  I may be over-simplifying it, but that's generally how it has worked for centuries.


Rebellion in Habit in Herzegovina

In this part of Herzegovina, there developed a unique case where most of the parishes were in Franciscan control. In 1975, Pope Paul VI issued the decree Romanis Pontificibus (full text now available in English) ordering a redistribution of parishes, to include more in the control of diocesan priests (the document itself is somewhat catechetical, and worth reading for that alone).


In the late 1990's, a number of parishes were usurped, some forcibly, by rebellious Franciscans. When it comes time for Sacramental Confirmation, it presents a problem when they don't have a bishop; and the diocesan bishop cannot go to usurped parishes lest he legitimize their disobedience and sacrilegious acts.   In 1997, one of the priests acted as a bishop coming from "a far away land" using a fake mitre, and visited one of the other seized parishes.  Bishop Perić, in a document updated in 2007 details more of the chaos:

They forcefully occupy at least five parishesall the while continuing with all priestly functions. They invalidly perform marriages, hear confessions without canonical faculties, some of them invalidly confirm youngsters, and in 2001 they invited an old-Catholic deacon who falsely presented himself as a bishop to “confirm” about eight hundred young people in three parishes. Two of these expelled Franciscans even went as far as asking the Swiss old-Catholic bishop, Hans Gerny, to ordain them as bishops, yet they did not succeed.

In his 2001 homily in Medjugorje, Bishop Perić went into more detail on that deacon from the old-Catholic Church:

[The fake bishop stated] "Our aim is to make the Pope revoke the Romanis Pontificibus decree through these confirmations… the Franciscans and I believe in Mary's apparitions in Medjugorje". Regarding celibacy he said: "when it is abolished, priests will be able to marry. This is what we want". Being a non-catholic he also said: "the impeccability of the Pope cannot regard dogmas" (statement: 23 May 2001). He was probably referring to the Pope's infallibility in faith and morals. These are the beliefs of the person that was invited to three parishes of this diocese: Grude, Čapljina and Tepčići, to illegitimately "confirm" 779 candidates. What is at hand here are not only invalid confirmations and a sacrilege against the Holy Spirit but invalid masses also, which this non-priest acted out before the faithful who were led astray by a hireling, like sheep without a pastor (Jn 10). 


Stepping back to 1999.  After years of work between a representative of the Holy See, the Vicar General of the OFM, and Bishop Perić, we find a document stating that, despite the chaos in a few parishes, Romanis Pontificibus was "definitively implemented," It discusses the extent to which the friars and followers went to seize parishes:

2.It is painful to note that it has not been possible to transfer the parishes mentioned in the Decree from the Franciscans to the Diocesan Clergy on 21 February 1999, as previously agreed, notwithstanding the good will of the Co-executors, for the following reasons: acts of organised physical resistance, serious written and verbal threats, occupation of parochial Churches and houses, removal of parish registers and stamps


Among other things, the grave situation in Čapljina, where the parish of St. Francis was actually bricked-up when it was taken over, was addressed:

5.In regard to the current situation in Čapljina, the Co-executors draw attention, particularly to the Faithful, that the priests Bonifacije Barbarić and Bože Rados, were dismissed from the Order of Friars Minor, on 28 February 1998. The Holy See confirmed their dismissal on 23 March 1998. Consequently, they may no longer use the Franciscan habit. On 17 December 1998 they were suspended "a divinis" by the Holy See, such suspension being applied by the Diocesan Bishop on 30 December 1998; they are thus forbidden to celebrate all the sacraments. The process for the dismissal from the Order of the third disobedient priest residing in Capljina, Br Mile Vlacic is under way. The sacraments of Confession and Matrimony, administered by the three above named persons are invalid. 

6.Similar canonical sanctions will be taken against those other Franciscans who do not adhere to the directives of the Holy See and the Minister General with his Definitory. In cases of extreme necessity, ecclesiastical law allows the local Bishop to place under inderdict Churches that have been occupied illegally.

A visit to the website for the unlawfully held parish of St. Francis was enough to make my hair stand on end. As a Catholic, it's shocking, chilling, and deeply saddening to read some of what is there.

On a page which is dismissive of canon law, we see how bitter one of the suspended priests is.  Here is just one snippet translated for me. You can put the link into an auto-translator to get the idea (if you use Google Chrome it asks if you want it translated, automatically)
"It is significant that Bishop Perić has constantly suppressed Christ in his claims about the value of sacraments of Christian faith in the disputed parishes, and in canons on which he bases his claims. And who is Bishop Perić without Christ in the sacramental world? A sorcerer What can he do without Christ? Just sorcery."
One passage of Scripture came to mind when I read that: If you are insulted for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. (1 Peter 4:14)

Theological oddity for discernment of spirits?

One thought I have turns to the alleged apparitions of Medjugorje.  When you read the background provided above and see the extent of the sacrilege and blasphemous acts taking place there, you should be shaking your head in amazement that there is no mention in any Medjugorje "messages."  If you do not find that astonishing, then you do not understand the seriousness of the offenses committed by the priests, and by those who know it is wrong, yet follow them.  We aren't talking about the Franciscans in Medjugorje themselves, or other faithful priests in the same province.  Rather, we are talking about the objectively grave matter - sins and sacrilege being committed - in the immediate vicinity of Medjugorje, - sometimes mentioning "apparitions," yet the "gospa" is silent?!?!?

Bishop Perić has pointed out this theological oddity many timesHere is what he said in 2004:
If the "seers" with their "visions" tolerate such schismatic scandals, without in any way admonishing those involved, and likewise those who support the "seers" and act as their public relations men, without ever distancing themselves from or condemning such local schisms, then in the name of the Mother of God, the Queen of Peace, yea, in the name of the Holy Trinity, one God, might that not be a sign that those involved in propagandizing in support of the supposed credibility of such "visions" do not have the Divine will at the forefront of their thoughts? 
            A group of Franciscans (nine living, one deceased) who have been expelled from their Order for their notorious disobedience to the decisions both of their own superiors and of the Holy See with regard to matters of ecclesiastical administration in the diocese, have forcibly taken over a number of parishes in which for some years now they have been administering invalid confessions, and officiating at invalid marriages, some even carrying out invalid confirmations, and generally carrying on in defiance of Canon Law, all in the immediate or general neighbourhood of Medjugorje, as the place where tens of thousands of "visions" have occurred. 
            It is indeed astonishing that the "apparition", which has passed on messages to thousands of the curious, even including American President Ronald Reagan, and Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev, and its supporters, have not yet expressed concern, whether about the blasphemy perpetrated against Christ's sacraments, or the damage to the unity of the Church in the diocese of Mostar-Duvno. It is certainly remarkable that people come from all over the world to make their confessions in Medjugorje, but the expelled Franciscans and a few others who are in a state of disobedience to the Holy See, their Order and the local Church authorities, give thousands of invalid absolutions in the very neighbourhood of Medjugorje.

What must St. Francis think about Franciscans who are so attached to specific parishes that they seize them, even unto violence, against the explicit will of the Holy See itself? As if that is not enough, they engage in lying to the people, and to give people invalid sacraments?

Pray for everyone involved.  God have mercy on them.


As if you haven't read enough background, there is more.  



**I should have mentioned that the first chapter of Donal Foley's book, MEDJUGORJE REVISTED: 30 Years of Visions or Religious Fraud? looks closely at the conflict often referred to on pro-Medjugorje sites as "the rift between the Bishop and the Franciscans" or similar.  He goes back to the 14th & 15th centuries and walks us up to present day, showing the efforts the Holy See has made to get that area of Herzegovina out of a kind of "missionary status."  Many Medjugorje enthusiasts, frequenting those websites, are left with the impression that this is a "Bishop vs. Franciscan" disagreement, often creating contempt for the local bishop.  In reality, it is the Franciscans vs. the Holy See.  A more detailed reading of the conflict, and looking closely at the 1975 Decree, Romanis Pontificibus, reveals a different story than painted on those sites.

*Text added 10:15 PM 4/7/2013
**Text added 8:15 AM 4/10/2013



For interesting news items I don't have time to blog on, check out my Twitter Feed: @TeDeumBlog

Te Deum Laudamus! Home

The obedient are not held captive by Holy Mother Church;
it is the disobedient who are held captive by the world!

- Diane M. Korzeniewski

Note: The recommended links below are automatically generated by the tool, so they are not necessarily related content.

41 comments:

  1. Outstanding post, Diane; thanks for this up-to-date information!!

    ReplyDelete
  2. Why would you expect, or even desire, that the "Gospa" should offer some comment about persistent sin and disobedience that is occuring nearby? Especially if you do not believe the apparitions are authentic?

    We look to our bishops in our own dioceses to provide guidance about such matters.

    It is of course tragic and a scandal for the faithful that there is serious sin occuring nearby, but let's keep some perspective.

    Grimoaldo

    ReplyDelete
  3. Grimoaldo,

    If the Blessed Virgin Mary were to come to earth and deliver tens of thousands of messages to supposedly convert people, why wouldn't we expect her to address a local situation where not just any sin, but sacrilege is taking place, just miles from the original site of alleged apparitions?

    I'll repeat what I said before that if people aren't astonished by this, then I question whether they really understand the seriousness of what is happening when we say that 150 children are invalidly confirmed. This is offense against the Holy Spirit.

    ReplyDelete
  4. Well, in that case, I suppose you have saved "Gospa" the trouble, since your blog has now drawn attention to these 150 invalid confirmations. "Gospa" can continue giving messages about the need for prayer, receiving the sacraments, etc.

    Grimoaldo

    ReplyDelete
  5. Grimoaldo,

    You may be dismissive of the significance with regards to such a thing in the discernment of spirits, but I doubt the Holy See will.

    With that, have a nice day. You can take your snark to some other place or start your own blog.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Thank you for keeping us up to date Diane. Your posts are always excellent and objective.
    I have been wondering if Pope Francis will have a chance to act on the work of the commission fairly soon. Obviously there are many new things for him to attend to, but do you think he will resolve this or just let it die on the vine?
    JKnott

    ReplyDelete
  7. The blog article supposes nothing has been said, but In fairness to the one allegedly speaking there, actually a lot has been said.

    Our Lady (allegedly since not approved)has of late (over the last several years) said a lot about priests, repeatedly asking all of us to pray for the shepherds chosen by her Son (the priests), while also advising all of us to refrain from speaking about them or judging them.

    I could have included many more but stopped with these.

    The point again, emphasized over and over by Our Lady as shown below, is that we are to do one thing regarding all priests, and that is to pray for them.

    And we are especially cautioned against speaking any word about them, against judging them, any of them. So we should pray for them and be silent.


    April 2, 2013:

    "...Do not forget that you will come before the Heavenly Father and tell Him about yourself. Be ready!
    Again I am warning you, pray for those whom my Son called, whose hands He blessed and whom He gave as a gift to you. Pray, pray, pray for your shepherds. Thank you."


    March 2, 2013:
    "...My children, keep vigil. I, as a mother, am keeping vigil with you.
    I am especially praying and watching over those whom my Son called to be light-bearers and carriers of hope for you - for your shepherds. Thank you."


    February 2, 2013:
    "...Pray for your shepherds so that through your fasting and prayer they can lead you in love. Thank you."


    January 2, 2013:
    "...My children, pray for the shepherds. May your lips be shut to every judgment, because do not forget that my Son has chosen them and only He has the right to judge. Thank you."


    Dec 2, 2012
    "...Pray also for those whom my Son has chosen and consecrated in His name. Thank you."


    Oct 2, 2012
    "Again I call you and implore you to pray for those whom my Son has called. Thank you."

    Sept 2, 2012:
    "...Thank you for your open hearts. Pray for priests. Pray that the unity between my Son and them may be all the stronger, that they may be one. Thank you."

    Aug 2, 2012:

    "...Pray for those whom my Son has chosen to lead you on the way to salvation. May your mouth refrain from every judgment. Thank you."


    Jul 2, 2012:
    "...Pray as I do for your shepherds. Again I caution you: do not judge them, because my Son chose them. Thank you."


    Jun 2, 2012:

    "...Therefore, pray, pray, fast and confess regularly. If receiving my Son in the Eucharist is the center of your life then do not be afraid, you can do everything. I am with you. Every day I pray for the shepherds and I expect the same of you. Because, my children, without their guidance and strengthening through their blessing, you cannot do it. Thank you."


    God bless you,
    Bob Franks

    ReplyDelete
  8. Diane,

    please accept my apologies for the tone of my previous post. I humbly ask your forgiveness, as one Christian to another.

    One question I have, which I don't have the answer to, is the following: are there any precedents established from previously approved apparitions, in which Our Lady spoke of some specific local issues of concern? In general, it seems to me that Our Lady appears and restricts her messages to the core essentials of the Gospel, such as the need for personal conversion, prayer, Mass attendance, etc.


    -repentant Grimoaldo

    ReplyDelete
  9. Grimoaldo

    No problem. Thanks. I don't mind discussion. I just don't care for snark. Yours was nothing in contrast to some things I received that I deleted.

    I'm at work in a class and on a quick break. I won't be able to address your question until later.

    ReplyDelete
  10. The blog article supposes nothing has been said, but In fairness to the one allegedly speaking there, actually a lot has been said.

    As of late, the apparition has spoken about praying and fasting for the shepherds. Ironic that the apparition was silent for almost 30 years while the schism was taking place. Not before the schism took place but while the schism was taking place.

    Our Lady (allegedly since not approved)has of late (over the last several years) said a lot about priests, repeatedly asking all of us to pray for the shepherds chosen by her Son (the priests), while also advising all of us to refrain from speaking about them or judging them. I could have included many more but stopped with these.

    Satan did the same thing when he possessed Montanus. To wit: "But sometimes he rebuked them openly in a wise and faithful manner, that he might seem to be a reprover." (Eusebius' Church History, Book V, Chapter 16)

    The point again, emphasized over and over by Our Lady as shown below, is that we are to do one thing regarding all priests, and that is to pray for them. And we are especially cautioned against speaking any word about them, against judging them, any of them. So we should pray for them and be silent.

    There is a grave difference between the sin of detraction and sharing in another's sin by silence. At Laus, Mary committed neither sin nor silence by speaking repeatedly and openly against mortal sins. She can do this as our Mother and Queen. At Medjugorje, the apparition does nothing about the mortal sin of schism. I wonder where that motherly and regal love went in Medjugorje?

    It's sad seeing the truth spun by Medjugorje followers. Is schism a sin or not? Is being silent when you ought to speak up a sin or not? Is Mary the Immaculate Conception or not? Is Mary our Queen and Mother or not? Did Mary appear at Laus and speak out against sin or not? Was Montanus possessed by Satan and condemned by the Church or not? You can't have it both ways or justify the ends by the means (which is condemned by the Church), you don't get to rewrite history (which is historianism, condemned by the Church) or change doctrine (which is modernism, also condemned by the Church). The only reason you believe in the apparition is because you believe what the Church says about Mary being able to appear on Earth, so why not go the whole way by believing what the Church says about who Mary is, what sin is, and what private revelation is? How is that a people can be so ignorant of where their own beliefs come from - the Church!

    ReplyDelete
  11. ("Alleged" implied here since not approved)

    As of late Our Lady has been speaking very forcefully about prayer for our shepherds.
    (I felt I posted a lot of these to prove the point, and ironically I thought I was posting too much but I did wonder if I needed to post EVERY SINGLE time since it occurred to me that somebody would say, "Oh, of late, where was she before during these 31 years, huh, huh?...") Blessed Mary has asked for prayers, fasting, and more for over 30 years now, and she has mentioned the shepherds during those 30+ years in this. You might want to read the messages sometime.

    As for Montanus, Laus etc, different times, different apparitions. The world is a lot worse now.

    As for not sharing in one's sin, Our Lady not calling it out, I suspect but cannot know for certain that Our Lady, being the first and perfect Christian, is only practicing what her Son preached - DO NOT JUDGE. So, nor is she judging priests in the area, or anyone, for that matter. She knows our sins.

    (Would you like Blessed Mary to announce your name and list each of your sins to the world through a visionary? Our Lady, like her Son, loves all of us.

    Visionary Mirjana, speaking in Triete, Italy recently, said, "As your sister, I beg you - as I know everything that the Blessed Mother is preparing for us - Love! Love your priests. Help them, pray for them, especially for our Holy Father! Especially for him who, in the times that we are living, greatly needs your help, our help, our prayers, our love, and not our judgments!

    "If tomorrow you are going to face God and He asks you, 'How could you judge? Who are you?' what will you answer? This is why, as a sister, I beg you: ask God for the gift of Love! When you have the gift of Love, you never judge, you never criticize, because you see Jesus in each person...We need to be sure of only one thing: that we will all face God..."
    )

    This seems to be a very important point, emphasized more of late. Readers of the messages know they are almost always gentle and sweet sounding.

    But as for any of us making the mistake of judging priests, Our Lady's tone takes on a very, very, very different character, using words such as "I caution you.." and "Again, I am warning you..." and "May your lips be shut to every judgment..."

    Maybe Our Lady sees and hears too much judgment and not enough prayer, for her Son's chosen shepherds? Maybe Our Lady knows we risk heavy punishment from the Father, if we who have sinned, spend our time judging others, including especially priests, so she warns us not to do that?

    God bless you,
    Bob Franks

    ReplyDelete
  12. I felt I posted a lot of these to prove the point, and ironically I thought I was posting too much but I did wonder if I needed to post EVERY SINGLE time since it occurred to me that somebody would say, "Oh, of late, where was she before during these 31 years, huh, huh?...") Blessed Mary has asked for prayers, fasting, and more for over 30 years now, and she has mentioned the shepherds during those 30+ years in this. You might want to read the messages sometime.

    Appeal to ignorance, your argument is invalid.

    As for Montanus, Laus etc, different times, different apparitions. The world is a lot worse now.

    Historianist fallacy, your argument is still invalid.

    As for not sharing in one's sin, Our Lady not calling it out, I suspect but cannot know for certain that Our Lady, being the first and perfect Christian, is only practicing what her Son preached - DO NOT JUDGE. So, nor is she judging priests in the area, or anyone, for that matter. She knows our sins.

    Suspicion isn't fact, it's opinion. Your argument is still invalid.

    (Would you like Blessed Mary to announce your name and list each of your sins to the world through a visionary? Our Lady, like her Son, loves all of us. Visionary Mirjana, speaking in Triete, Italy recently, said, "As your sister, I beg you - as I know everything that the Blessed Mother is preparing for us - Love! Love your priests. Help them, pray for them, especially for our Holy Father! Especially for him who, in the times that we are living, greatly needs your help, our help, our prayers, our love, and not our judgments! If tomorrow you are going to face God and He asks you, 'How could you judge? Who are you?' what will you answer? This is why, as a sister, I beg you: ask God for the gift of Love! When you have the gift of Love, you never judge, you never criticize, because you see Jesus in each person...We need to be sure of only one thing: that we will all face God...")

    Appeal to emotion, argument is still invalid. You are called to overcome concupiscence, and fallacies are erroneous, so don't get mad at me for pointing out your illogical reasoning.

    This seems to be a very important point, emphasized more of late. Readers of the messages know they are almost always gentle and sweet sounding. But as for any of us making the mistake of judging priests, Our Lady's tone takes on a very, very, very different character, using words such as "I caution you.." and "Again, I am warning you..." and "May your lips be shut to every judgment..."

    Appeal to emotion, argument still invalid.

    Maybe Our Lady sees and hears too much judgment and not enough prayer, for her Son's chosen shepherds? Maybe Our Lady knows we risk heavy punishment from the Father, if we who have sinned, spend our time judging others, including especially priests, so she warns us not to do that?

    Yet another appeal to emotion. Argument is still invalid.

    ReplyDelete
  13. I find this all very interesting. I've read both sides of the phenomena. And I've decided just to see how this all plays out. I have several friends that have had true conversions to the faith by going over there. And their faith is real. I had a friend who had a cross on a chain that looks just like the one that I have. but it turned Gold on his trip there. But then when I read the Bishops arguments I wonder how this can possibly be real.

    Thanks for posting this, Diane.

    bj

    ReplyDelete
  14. Great post, Diana. The Bishop's letter to Marijana is yet another wonderful example of his obedience to Mother Church and his deep pastoral care for those being led so terribly astay. He is a true (and very patient) shepherd. He has been unfairly vilified for many years and needs our prayers more than ever. Anyone who, like me, knows the dynamics (ecclesial and otherwise) in the places highlighted on Diane's map - in more than a superficial way (i.e. just visiting during a pilgrimage) will have no hesitation in knowing who is right in this situation and where the truth lies. Our Blessed Mother would never stand for or condone the body of Christ, the visible Church, being torn apart in Hercegovina, or anywhere else, in her name. She simply would not stand by. The great deceoption (natural or supernatural) of the Medugorje phenomenon is so clearly manifested in this destrucytive schism. Support it at your peril! You do not need Medugorje to find, encounter and love Mary and her Son. Mary, Mother of the Church. Pray for us!

    ReplyDelete
  15. I just have a quick question. If I had traveled to Medjugorje and attended both mass and confession at the parish (St. James), were those sacraments valid?

    ReplyDelete
  16. Tana,

    The only way your Confession would not be valid at St. James is if one of the suspended priests heard your Confession. But, I doubt the pastor of St. James would permit any of them to hear Confessions there. I don't think you have to worry.

    In this <a href="http://cbismo.com/index.php?menuID=36>link</a> is a list of those involved in the "schism." The page also lists other names of those without faculties for refusing to sign a declaration of obedience to the local Bishop that the Minister General of the OFM, and I think, the Holy See wanted in light of the rebellion. Most signed. Just over 20 did not and they are listed. Also named on the page without faculties is Fra Jozo Zovko. I don't think you will find him in Medjugorje these days; he seems to be complying with directives to avoid the place and discussion of it as the Commission works.

    ReplyDelete
  17. That live link attempt didn't work. Use this to see the list

    http://cbismo.com/index.php?menuID=36

    Copy and paste.

    ReplyDelete
  18. With all due respect for the defenders of Medjugorje I have a problem with their logic.

    First, the last doctrinal counsil was Vatican I. In its decrees it very clearly spells out what a Catholic must believe to be Catholic. Since Vatican II was an ecumenical counsel it did not abrogate the following:

    Vatican I, Session 3, On Faith, chapter 8 reads:

    "8. Wherefore, by divine and catholic faith all those things are to be believed

    ◦which are contained in the word of God as found in scripture and tradition,

    ◦and which are proposed by the church as matters to be believed as divinely revealed,

    ◦whether by her solemn judgment

    ◦or in her ordinary and universal magisterium."

    These 'priests' have been been suspended 'a divinis' by the Holy Sea and have chosen to ignore it.

    These priests are acting in defiance of Romanis Pontificibus.

    These priests know that any sacraments they perform are invalid yet persist and doing so.

    These priests are bound to obey the authentic teachers of the faith, the magisterium...yet they refuse.

    I could go on but my concern is that arguments are being made the Marian messages ask/warn that we not judge priests but pray for them. That is a wonderful message but does not mean that these priests are outside the Church. Their suspension is an indisputable fact. So we should pray for all priests and pray that these former Franciscans to come back to Christ's church in humble obedience. In the meantime they should be avoided.

    I also have great misgivings about the seers and messages:

    * I find it hard to believe that Mary can be called spontaneously by a seer as Vicka did on Irish TV.

    * None of the seers have been called to a vocation.

    * The messages are light encouragements but contain no warnings, prophecies or significant requests. For example Our Lady said on Oct 13, 1973 at Akita:

    "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres...churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

    "The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them"

    * There have been no miracles associated with Medjugorje.

    * None of the promised secrets have been made known.

    * I have difficulty with the 'vernacular' attributed to Our Lady as I see them as completely inconsistent with previous apparitions.

    * The Church discourages pilgrimages to Medjugorje.

    I could go on but I think I've said enough to explain my concerns. Medjugorje simply has too many negative fruits to be ignored.

    The Church is now studying Medjugorje. I realize they won't approve it until the apparitions stop but....the Church can study and make a negative finding as they have done at other places.

    I will await the Church's judgment on Medjugorje and encourage everyone else to do the same.


    ReplyDelete
  19. (alleged implied here)
    Nick, excuse me, but I am not making any arguments. So I don't understand your saying my 'arguments' are invalid. Take it easy! Breathe! Have a good day!

    Diane wondered about Our Lady, who appears in relative proximity to the priests in question, not commenting on that specific issue to the visionaries.

    I noted that Our Lady has asked us through all these years to pray for priests, just like she prays for them. And she firmly reminds us not to judge priests or anyone else. (We have our own planks in our eyes.)

    (Our Lady has reminded us that with prayer and fasting we can resolve problems, so that would tie into the call for prayer for priests - prayer and fasting could resolve this issue and other issues, someday, somehow.)


    For any to go further and say Our Lady's not commenting on the nearby priests is some type of proof it is not real, is irrational and illogical. There are an infinite number of sins in the world, all of which separate the sinner from the Church and from her Son; it is illogical to expect Our Lady to comment on each and every one of them.

    One must be careful not to set up straw man arguments. To say Our Lady is not commenting on the nearby priest issues is a straw man argument when it is used as some type of 'proof' the alleged apparition is a fraud. Our Lady's not commenting on it does not imply anything. We are all free to sin, even priests. (Why only nearby priests? What about far away prominent issues like Fr. Corapi or the bishop in Scotland who recently resigned over priest-sex-abuse or....the list goes on and on.)

    Our Lady has commented on sins of all of us and how we need to convert, to turn away from sin and back to God.

    At Fatima Our Lady said we must not offend God (sin) anymore because He is already too much offended.

    She is calling ALL of us (religious and lay alike) out of any and all of our sins, and back to God. She follows the high mission entrusted to her by God and does not deviate off course to comment here and there along the way on somebody's imperfections, as we do who are imperfect in our obedience to God.

    One other comment: Our Lady said this time is her time, but she also said the present hour is the hour of Satan. Our Lady and Satan are joined in a climactic battle for our souls at this present time. Sin therefore will abound (and it is - read the news), even with Our Lady appearing to us. Sin will abound on this earth, even near where Our Lady appears, since it is also the time of the Demon, who is on earth too.


    Note well, and pray:

    "The beast was given...AUTHORITY TO ACT" (Rev 13:5)
    "The hour has come when the demon is AUTHORIZED TO ACT...the present hour is the hour of Satan."(Blessed Mary [allegedly], Medjugorje, 1999)

    God bless you,
    Bob Franks

    ReplyDelete
  20. How very sad that some see themselves as qualified to tell Heaven what to say. Countless souls have rejected Christ and His Church with that mindset.

    By the way, an honest question: are you asserting that the Eucharist is invalid if consecrated by a suspended priest?

    (If so, I just want to inform you in charity, that this is a heresy. But maybe that isn't what you were saying.)

    ReplyDelete
  21. Daniel,

    I just got home and have only a brief moment and wanted to respond to one thing you said:

    I talked about "invalid sacraments" - referring to those named in the document I cited in my post when it said, "The sacraments of Confession and Matrimony, administered by the three above named persons are invalid."

    So, on top of the nearly 800 invalid "confirmations" performed by the fake bishop the one year (the Old Catholic deacon), and more "confirmations" taking place every 3 years, not just with 8th grade, but lower grades as well (so perhaps as many as 150 every 3 years since 1997). Add to that every confession these guys have heard which could be into the thousands since 1997; and the number of "marriages since that year.

    That is why such information is made public so that people can avoid giving a confession to a priest who cannot give them absolution because he does not have the faculties.

    The only legitimate Confession they could absolve under such circumstances, would be from someone in immediate danger of death, unless I am mistaken.

    That's pretty serious stuff.

    Unfortunately, people in that area go there even after having been told this. Some claim, "I did not know" - hence, the bishop's need to make it known publicly again, and again. We may hear from him again as another happens, I'm hearing, next month at a different parish with 3 other suspended priests, also removed from the Franciscan order.

    ReplyDelete
  22. I believe you are confusing "invalid" and "illicit." Not even the Petrine ministry has the power to remove a priest's ability to consecrate bread and wine, and to absolve sin, so long as the proper matter and form exist.

    A suspended/excommunicated/defrocked/laicized priest is no less capable of consecrating the host and absolving sins than the Pope himself. He is merely not allowed to do so. If he disobeys and does so anyway, the sacrament is perfectly valid; albeit illicitly performed.

    ReplyDelete
  23. Another note; In the Latin Rite, the priest does not administer the Sacrament of Matrimony; he merely presides. The contracting parties (viz. husband and wife) are the ministers of this sacrament.

    Further, the paragraph in red on this post indeed claims that the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist was invalid in that case in question (which, again, is a heretical assertion... don't worry, I am not calling you a formal heretic, I know you didn't mean it :-). We're all material heretics if asked the right question, to be honest.)

    ReplyDelete
  24. Daniel,

    I see what you mean (paragraph in red). I was referring to invalid confirmations. I added a note in brackets specifying Confirmations. It's just that "confirmation" was used so many times I grabbed "sacraments" without realizing it was being lumped in with the Communions.

    ReplyDelete
  25. Daniel - unless there is a translation error see the language used in point 5 of "Romanis Pontificibus Definitively Implemented" were it states that marriages and confessions those suspended priests hear are invalid. If it is not a translation error, you need to take it up with the hierarchy who wrote it.

    ReplyDelete
  26. Hmm.

    I should have offered more reservations, as a full blown debate on whether any disciplinary action against a priest can render his confessions invalid is far above my knowledge.

    I am far more certain that nothing can remove a priest's power to consecrate.

    And when Matrimony is valid is the most complicated of all...

    Anyway... my main purpose here is just to ensure that no one feels he committed some sacrilege by unknowingly receiving the Eucharist from a disciplined priest, for that is not invalid and was indeed the real Eucharist; and the correction you made in the brackets achieves that, so thank you.

    In Christ, through Mary,
    Daniel

    ReplyDelete
  27. Daniel,

    I was definitely sloppy in my post (and was tired when writing it and multi-tasking, so I'm not surprised)

    I've sent some questions on it to someone I know who can answer them. If I hear back, I'll drop a note in here as to what was said.

    If anything, it's got us thinking. I can't be sure myself other than to take it at face value, but since it originated in Croatian many years ago and was translated by someone I don't know, and I do not have the original text, I don't know if the right word was used (that is "valid")

    ReplyDelete
  28. Just for example, I wondered:

    A) If I know that a priest is suspended, and that he has no faculties to hear Confession, but I go to him anyway, even when I can go down the road to a priest who has faculties, then is my Confession invalid or illicit?

    B) If I do not know that a priest is suspended, and without faculties to hear Confession, does it change the above?

    I believe you are right that the Eucharist they Consecrate would be valid, but... illegal?

    I suppose your comments exposed some learning opportunities - LOL.

    ReplyDelete
  29. Anyway... my main purpose here is just to ensure that no one feels he committed some sacrilege by unknowingly receiving the Eucharist from a disciplined priest, for that is not invalid and was indeed the real Eucharist; and the correction you made in the brackets achieves that, so thank you.

    Daniel,

    It's hard to imagine the local people in that parish not knowing the priest is suspended and without faculties. But, perhaps there are some and that is why the bishop makes these things public.

    However, the vast majority of people in that parish really have to know. That parish was taken forcibly. I mean, they bricked the opening shut. The fake bishop that came literally climbed through an opening, fake mitre and all.

    ReplyDelete
  30. Fair enough Diane!

    Thank you for doing that research; and my apologies for being too sure of my own thoughts before checking into it more. I am curious about those same questions you ask.

    I don't know very much about what's going on at that Parish, so I can't say anything as to the potential culpability of the parishioners... perhaps they do know.

    ReplyDelete
  31. Nick, excuse me, but I am not making any arguments. So I don't understand your saying my 'arguments' are invalid. Take it easy! Breathe! Have a good day!

    You're making arguments for Medjugorje, whether you know it or not. Ergo, my refutations to your arguments. Please see them again to understand your errors, and correct them by God's Grace. Don't think "I will try to correct myself" but rather "By God's Grace I will correct myself", for you must trust in God, Who can do all good things.

    Diane wondered about Our Lady, who appears in relative proximity to the priests in question, not commenting on that specific issue to the visionaries. I noted that Our Lady has asked us through all these years to pray for priests, just like she prays for them. And she firmly reminds us not to judge priests or anyone else. (We have our own planks in our eyes.) (Our Lady has reminded us that with prayer and fasting we can resolve problems, so that would tie into the call for prayer for priests - prayer and fasting could resolve this issue and other issues, someday, somehow.)

    We don't resolve problems with prayers, we submit ourselves to God, Who resolves our problems within us without us. In other words, without God's Grace we can do nothing, since even free-will is a grace of God. Indeed, God Himself is the Grace of grace, though not a created grace like virtue, air, stars, Heaven, etc. since He's Eternal.

    For any to go further and say Our Lady's not commenting on the nearby priests is some type of proof it is not real, is irrational and illogical. There are an infinite number of sins in the world, all of which separate the sinner from the Church and from her Son; it is illogical to expect Our Lady to comment on each and every one of them. One must be careful not to set up straw man arguments. To say Our Lady is not commenting on the nearby priest issues is a straw man argument when it is used as some type of 'proof' the alleged apparition is a fraud. Our Lady's not commenting on it does not imply anything. We are all free to sin, even priests. (Why only nearby priests? What about far away prominent issues like Fr. Corapi or the bishop in Scotland who recently resigned over priest-sex-abuse or....the list goes on and on.) Our Lady has commented on sins of all of us and how we need to convert, to turn away from sin and back to God. At Fatima Our Lady said we must not offend God (sin) anymore because He is already too much offended. She is calling ALL of us (religious and lay alike) out of any and all of our sins, and back to God. She follows the high mission entrusted to her by God and does not deviate off course to comment here and there along the way on somebody's imperfections, as we do who are imperfect in our obedience to God. Our Lady said this time is her time, but she also said the present hour is the hour of Satan. Our Lady and Satan are joined in a climactic battle for our souls at this present time. Sin therefore will abound (and it is - read the news), even with Our Lady appearing to us. Sin will abound on this earth, even near where Our Lady appears, since it is also the time of the Demon, who is on earth too.

    Ironically, the apparition has told the visionaries not to lie (Feb 2, 2010). Lying is a particular sin. Schism is a particular sin. Ergo, your argument is invalid and self-refuted, and I have even greater assurance that the apparition is committing schism by being silent about schism rather than correcting the schismatics.

    ReplyDelete
  32. Fr Z answered the invalid confession question here
    http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/01/quaeritur-confession-to-an-sspx-priest-a-sin/

    Those poor people are not absolved of their sins.

    ReplyDelete
  33. Hi Diane, I haven't written for some time now but I do follow your columns.
    I confess I admire your forthrightness given the topic at hand and wonder if you wear dentures by now, having likely had your teeth kicked-in by the less charitable of the Medjugorje adherents. (Kidding about the toothsome bit of course)
    God bless you and keep up the good work.

    ReplyDelete
  34. Being a "Protestant" is a possible thing, since the 1500's. Some people think it is just as good as being a Catholic, and quite a number of people think it is way better.

    People who refuse to submit to the authority of the local bishop, who in fact "protest," are Protestants.

    This is at bottom a truth-in-labeling problem. These priests and bogus bishops are not in fact in unity with Rome, and are therefore Protestants. If they were willing to admit this I would have no problem with them. I could not join them, but I could admire their clarity of statement, however misguided.

    As it is they are literally wolves in sheep's clothing.

    ReplyDelete
  35. Daniel:

    "Not even the Petrine ministry has the power to remove a priest's ability . . . to absolve sin"

    I see that you've stepped back from this assertion in a later post, but I wanted to confirm that, yes, bishops and the Pope are able to remove a priest's ability to absolve sin. Besides canon law on this point (Canon 966) see also Council of Trent 14th Session, Chapter 7. Thus, a priest without faculties to administer the sacrament of penance does not absolve sin.

    "Another note; In the Latin Rite, the priest does not administer the Sacrament of Matrimony; he merely presides. The contracting parties (viz. husband and wife) are the ministers of this sacrament."

    Indeed; however, the husband and wife, if one of them is Catholic, must observe canonical form for validity, which (usually) requires the presence of a priest or deacon with faculties to preside at the marriage.

    Paul

    ReplyDelete
  36. "Thus, a priest without faculties to administer the sacrament of penance does not absolve sin."

    I accept this is true in form and for those who knowingly seek absolution from priests who don't have proper faculties. But I also know how important intent is and I don't believe for one minute that God does not absolve the sins of one who unknowingly and in good conscience confesses to such a priest, especially if the priest is deceptive or withholds the information from the confessee.

    Oregonian

    ReplyDelete
  37. Oregonian: You are right to point out that God can do whatever he wants and hopefully provides in those cases when penitents are deceived.

    But I was referring to the priest, not the penitent. A priest who does not have the faculty to hear confessions and nevertheless hears them is guilty of sacrilege through simulation of the sacrament.

    Paul

    ReplyDelete
  38. Its unfortunate that there are disobedient priests, and why is it more of a scandal since they are in the neighboring areas of Medjugorje? In Africa where the apparitions of Our Lady of Kibeho are approved and authentic there are many priests who are not celibate.,,and as one bishop says it is a problem. Whey not find out who they are and call them out on it. In Medjugorje it appears the visionaries do follow all the bishop's rules. They have ceased having apparitions in the church, all the priests who concelebrate are checked for permission to say Holy Mass from their bishop...ect.The messages are not read in the church...ect. I understand the Bishops concern about commerce, as when the apparitions first started the area was very poor, but with the fall of communism and with many pilgrims traveling there, many bed and breakfasts have been built and the village has made improvements to accommodate guests. There are shops that sell trickets but there are these types of shops in Fatima and Lourdes. The nature of many humans are to bring gifts back(after being blessed at the church) I am sure it is difficult for the bishop to see such changes in a regional village to undergo such changes since he grew up in poverty and under communism where commerce like this was unheard of.The Franciscans who are running the church in Medjugorje are doing a wonderful job with Masses being said all day, confessions being heard by numerous priests and bishops and Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament in the evening. If there were such a village in the United States where such things occurred all day long and the people who surrounded such village were filled with such joy and peace as they are in Medjugorje....I would frequent that village. Instead I attend my church (which I do love) but where a majority of the people are not engaged in the Holy Mass...cell phones go off, girls are dressed immodestly(there is a dress code in St. James)people leave right after receiving Our Lord in communion and when I visit the Blessed Sacrament Chapel(PEA) often Jesus is left covered up because no one is there to Adore Him...even during the daytime. It seems those who have been to Medjugoje have had their faith revived or have become converts to the faith and are the ones bringing life to the churches in the US. If that is what Our Lady and her messages are doing then let them continue. As for the messages being repeatedly simple....think of how you raise your children. I for one am not an intellectual and need constant prodding. Yes I read sacred scripture, pray novenas ect...but Medjugorje has changed my heart and taught me to pray from my heart...taught to me from Our Lady and her messages. We need to pray for all our priests...those who are lukewarm, and in error and those who are disobedient. I do not think it is an easy task being a priest since the devil does all he can to bring one down. When he suceeds..well then there causes confusion and commotion and invalid sacraments...like in the villages referenced by you Diane. When in Medjugorje it is often said to stay in the village.I am sure the devil is working in Medjugorje too as he must be gnarling by the fact there are so many conversions, confessions ect.And I have seen many demons leaving people(exorcisms) especially after the apparitions and at Adoration and during the veneration of the cross.Where do those demons flee? Who knows....he goes where there is an opening and I am sure some people who go there are going out of curiosity and speculation...if Ourl Lady touches their souls they will come back as a faithful catholic.The only regret I have is that there is no Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapel..24/7. But who knows...maybe the Bishop won't allow that, for all Adoration Chapels need the permission of the Bishop.Thank You Diane for your updates. I enjoy your blog.

    ReplyDelete
  39. Catechism of the Catholic Church on who can administer Confirmation

    1312 The original minister of Confirmation is the bishop.130

    In the East, ordinarily the priest who baptizes also immediately confers Confirmation in one and the same celebration. But he does so with sacred chrism consecrated by the patriarch or the bishop, thus expressing the apostolic unity of the Church whose bonds are strengthened by the sacrament of Confirmation. In the Latin Church, the same discipline applies to the Baptism of adults or to the reception into full communion with the Church of a person baptized in another Christian community that does not have valid Confirmation.131

    1313 In the Latin Rite, the ordinary minister of Confirmation is the bishop.132 If the need arises, the bishop may grant the faculty of administering Confirmation to priests,133 although it is fitting that he confer it himself, mindful that the celebration of Confirmation has been temporally separated from Baptism for this reason. Bishops are the successors of the apostles. They have received the fullness of the sacrament of Holy Orders. The administration of this sacrament by them demonstrates clearly that its effect is to unite those who receive it more closely to the Church, to her apostolic origins, and to her mission of bearing witness to Christ.

    1314 If a Christian is in danger of death, any priest can give him Confirmation.134 Indeed the Church desires that none of her children, even the youngest, should depart this world without having been perfected by the Holy Spirit with the gift of Christ's fullness.

    130 Cf. LG 26.
    131 Cf. CIC, Can. 883 § 2.
    132 Cf. CIC, Can. 882.
    133 Cf. CIC, Can. 884 § 2.
    134 Cf. CIC, Can. 883 § 3.

    ReplyDelete
  40. “Some people want to see God with their eyes as they see a cow, and to love Him as they love a cow - for the milk and cheese and profit it brings them. This is how it is with people who love God for the sake of outward wealth or inward comfort. They do not rightly love God, when they love Him for their own advantage. ” –Meister Eckhart
    ….and so it is with many adherents of medjugorje…it is not for nothing that the devil also known as Beelzebub( the lord of the flies) is also himself a maggot that is a spiritual creature with a mouth and no eyes..the mouth is the sin of envy which seeks to condemn and anihilate and the blindness is a result of pride..the utility of this can be see when the devil himself is permitted to devour those who have grown cold in charity since they love God solely for interior consolation and inner peace ..over time they are void of good works done in the service of God ..they work for themselves since they love themselves…and so the devil waits in the darkness of pride to consume those who through disobedience and lack of true charity (bearing the cross of Christ) become dead flesh on the mystical body of Christ(the Church)..the life blood of Christ and of charity does not flow through them..they are stagnant pools which draw the scum of vice and so the living water of regeneration which flows from Christ and waters the soul making it a verdant garden of virtue is replaced by the scum of inordinate self-love and hidden vice …since they are blinded by pride they believe themselves to be without blemish yet someone who views them from the outside can see all the tares of the devil which are sown within…God save us all from such a fate…

    ReplyDelete

*********************************************************************************

COMMENTS ON THIS BLOG HAVE BEEN CLOSED INDEFINITELY.

Use the email in my profile if you would like to contact me for any reason.

*********************************************************************************

Note: Only a member of this blog may post a comment.